More like he is scared to death of them and is incapable of doing anything to them or at least that’s the case as far as Whis and his dad and Zeno are concerned. Vegeta got a new powerful transformation that's about equal to Blue Kaioken x20, and he used his most powerful attack against Toppo to take him out, so I wouldn't say he's far below Beerus at all. He has got serious in the anime a few times (only when fighting with Champa) but we have never even been given a reference or a hint to anywhere near his full power. Fusion is generally> the strongest non fused character. Yes because arm wrestles are a lot different than an actual fight and when Beerus refuted it was actually a lot calmer than how he’d react if it wasn’t true. Hakai has shown to be close range, far range and as energy releases. Furthermore, If Beerus was truly capable of destroying anything his reaction to Zeno wouldn’t be like this. @takenstew22: Considering Vegeta alone is stronger than Toppo. Can the US Military replace Santa Claus for one Christmas? Broly didn’t reach full power until his fight with SSJ Gogeta. Unsure of a good way to make your fight more interesting than just "X Character vs. Y Character"? The only thing ultra instinct has over beerus is speed and the auto dodge hax, even then jiren was able to bypass that for a moment due to his strength being absolute and all that shit. As with posts, the comments are not a place to promote a political or social agenda. Krillin is a human from Earth and one of the characters … Do Goku or Jiren have a counter to Hakai? Be nice and we'll respond in kind. Posts with no details or specifications whatsoever. remember the diffrence between ssj 3 goku and ssjg goku? Since Goku himself was nowhere near Beerus’ level of power even at his strongest form at the time which was SSBKKX20 and we both saw what happened when that form of Goku clashed with someone who was stated to be at the realm of the gods of destruction needless to say he didn’t fair very well. Hakai was never used on frieza or goku it was just a small ammount of GoD energy that was overcome. Beerus isn't 2-C because he cannot destroy 2 universes alone. Not saying I agree but people like to bring up the point that Kefla could have killed UI Goku, and while yes this is a fully developed ultra instinct that is leaps and bounds over his previous version, a fusion between Goku and Vegeta would also be leaps and bounds above Kefla especially post ToP fusion between the two. Since LSSJ Broly is on Beerus' level, then yeah, SSJB Gogeta would have a win here. Beerus never used his full power in the anime? I think beerus and gogeta overpower jiren as he tries to tank something and they eventually tag Goku. In reality Beerus’ actual power is something they’ve kept ambiguous so that when they do use him they can say that he was always that strong at full power so there’s no asspull, it also seems very unlikely that if Beerus was ever surpassed by Goku that they’d make such a little deal like they did (yes UI was impressive and all that but no statements were made confirming strength and Beerus was most likely just impressed Goku achieved such a form). Comments consisting of a single image or gif to provoke drama or as a non-responsive reply to the thread. Send us a message we'd love to help you with your thread. @thekappa78: eh, it was not supposed to mean gogeta ssj > Jiren or UI lol. Those aren't even impressive though.. SSJG Goku clashing with Beerus was threatening the Universe in the same way. Your post will get automatically removed if it is not flaired. He wasn't even scared by Broly's power, to the point where he just chilled with Bulla all day. it was referring mui with the text being " Gokus hair and aura starts to glow SILVER. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. Whis also says this to Vegeta when he fights Beerus in the manga and loses the fight. Ultra Instinct. There's also those that claim Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power, although from a manga standpoint that's false as Beerus had no reason to hold back in the God of Destruction battle royale, which Goku witnessed. Jiren was set up as a person who has surpassed the GoD of his own universe and with no real statements or feats as to how that GoD ranks with the rest and could have been the weakest GoD for all we know. its to big and add ssb to it , it turns to an unholy stomp in favor of gogeta. I could see team 1 taking Gogeta against Goku and Jiren agaisnt Beerus. Comments that are memes for the sake of memes will be removed as well. According to what we know right now, Gogeta would probably stomp. After all he wouldn’t even dare confront the Grand Priest when his existence was at stake in the ToP instead he tried to ask Whis to bribe his father to ensure his survival. And that was before his power boost. [–]Jamano-Eridzander 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (0 children). Remember, the mods are humans, and we realize you're human, too. we know broly is possibly stronger than beerus and gogeta absolutely finnesed the hell out of him which also means he's far above the gods including beerus. Team 2 stomps, Gogeta needs a better teammate. And we've seen him do it with extreme ease. "Fusion. Team 1 with Gogeta has the MVP. Beerus also stopped the universe 7 destruction, I'd say that's pretty high showings compared to Jiren at least. Poll Gogeta and Beerus vs MUI Goku and LB Jiren (59 votes) Team 1 68% . Also proof that Beerus has a big enough power advantage over SSB Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to overcome his imperfect ultra instinct through sheer power like Jiren did against MUI Goku. Until actual statements corroborate that and have actual confirmation as to where they rank it’s all a bit up in the air which is part of mystery about gods they seemed to be going for imo. The anime is quite weird as the shockwaves had bizarre properties were growing stronger and stronger and Old Kai said that everyone, including Beerus and Goku would perish, Beerus also said he needed 100% of his power to stop the shockwaves (he could be lying but keep in mind the bizarre properties of the shockwave). Limit Breaker Jiren should be handily above Beerus, especially since he was giving Goku a hell of a fight when he mastered a technique Beerus couldn't. Proof that Beerus is powerful enough to one shot SSB Gogeta with hakai? They don't individually scale to their combined power output unless you mean Beerus's power is equal to Beerus's and … Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Goku and Vegeta are also implied to at least know just how much of a gap is between them and Beerus back in Anime RoF since they both cucked down at the mere thought of facing him and have almost faced sleepy Beerus' unrestrained attacks. Going by your logic Beerus should be able to erase all of them so that shouldn’t be an issue for him. unknowingly downplay. Zeno is a being who can erase all of existence in the blink of an eye. 0. Again, please see the suggested template above for more details. Sure it's not actually happened by anyone other than Zeno, but TOP Goku scales so far above SSG Goku that it would be a little ridiculous to assume he isn't capable of it. Admit when you don't know. Is Gogeta strong enough to take out the GoD? Sure hes stronger than HIS GoD but that doesn't mean Belmod is stronger than Beerus. That should say just how good Jiren's reputation is. Jiren sacrificed and sacrificed every year, more and more of himself. The only way to prove it is by comparing the power up diffrences. It was confirmed that Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than the Gods of Destruction including Beerus. [–]KingPWNinater 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (5 children). nonetheless every else is fine. If Goku and Jiren manage to win before that team 2 takes it. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). Beerus and Champa showed that just by fighting the universe was going to be destroyed. Always admit it up front if you're unfamiliar with a character. Can he win against all the Jedi that he lost to? All posts must be flaired. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. He wouldn't even need Blue, he could easily do it with SSJG and maybe even pull it off in a hard fought battle in SSJ3, and that's if you say MUI Goku and Beerus are equals. [–]Galaxy_Megatron 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (13 children). So I’ll ask again in case I wasn’t being clear last time do you have any feats that suggest that Beerus is capable of erasing the likes of SSB Gogeta? Not to mention the diffrence between ssj and ssb. See this post for details. A.Whis is way more powerful than Beerus is. [–]Goku4869 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (0 children). Goku only became on the same level as Beerus once he got UI. Threads asking how X character would do with a Y-Colored Lantern Ring are not allowed. Lol at him soloing. Seal Team Six is tasked with infiltrating Kevin McAllister's compound and killing him. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. ... TC always insists SSB Fusions are weaker as a whole in the franchise and REREAD the title. UI Beerus + Hakai form is a force to be reckoned with, that I think alot of people on this sub unknowingly downplay. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Even Beerus can’t get Ultra Instinct correctly. And Just because SSJ Broly couldn’t touch Whis doesn’t mean that Beerus is unteachable. [–]armchair_science 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child). and if you add beerus here who has million+ years exp, Hakai and also incomplete ultra instinct than team 1 absolute destroys team 2 with mid to low diff, the only problem team 1 will be facing is mui gokus dodge hacks. And has Beerus never used his full power in the anime? Yeah but the manga at least seems more consistent to debate in many aspects (like the shockwave feat, which is much more clear im the manga than in the anime in my opinion), but debating the anime is fine too. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. Regardless, Jiren has far better showings imo. @alextheboss: Destruction energy probably won't really do much. As for MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta I think MUI Goku can take it because of his speed and reaction time which is pretty much the best we've seen in Dragon Ball yet. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Meaning Broly, and Jiren are non factors in this fight as neither of them have any hax. Comments that are a few words and contribute no actual discussion ('lol' or '___ stomps'). The following post types and comments have been deemed low-quality by the community and may be removed. VIEW OLDER REPLIES. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. And it pissed me off that they didn't have their unique stuff. Assuming unlimited fusion time, I'm going team 1. Disruptive gimmick accounts will be first warned then removed. Jiren fp >=< goku ultra instinct >= beerus > jiren supressed >> kaioken 20x goku >>> ssb goku The gaps are way bigger + a weaker fusion so i dont think so. C. Ultra instinct doesn’t make you untouchable even the completed version as evidenced by MUI Goku vs LB Jiren. Even the fully mastered state of the gods, Ultra Instinct, falls short to the jewel of universe eleven. Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than SSJB Gogeta Dragon Ball - General ... things even more confusing and complicated by bringing in Merus in a debate that was about the anime version of UI Goku vs Beerus. Can a guy with a gun kill a bender from avatar? Gogeta wasn't even using his full power against broly and Goku even says he might be stronger than beerus. [–]Goku4869 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago* (4 children), Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis. It makes no difference when going up against Jiren now. However, he saw Jiren's full power, and a huge power up on top of that. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children). Beerus was terrified of a Jiren who wasn’t even showing a hint of his true power does that mean heavily suppressed Jiren > Beerus then? and gogeta blue is without a doubt the STRONGEST one here FAR. [–]armchair_science 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). Overly broad, vague or opinion-reliant posts. No one expects you to be a genius when it comes to every aspect of every character. ssj gogeta was already >> ssb goku and vegeta. I didn't read the Manga yet so I can't say anything about this. SSJB Gogeta is only “possibly stronger than Beerus”Tries citing a movie that doesn't have complete 100% compatibility with neither the Anime nor Manga and doesn't even get the fact right; it was Broly, not Gogeta. Downvoting will never be allowed on this sub. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 4451 on r2-app-056d814da82db5a71 at 2020-12-24 01:58:11.803593+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: FR. This is not headcanon, we have statements that matter here. Gogeta >>>>> UI Goku > Brolly >=< Jiren >=< Beerus It’s ambiguous between the last 3 however UI is stronger than all 3 but is close. Is there anything new from DBS after ToP and the Broly/Gogeta movie? Not an easy match up for Gogeta. Ssj vegito was massively stronger than potential unleashed Gohan. Fusion also allowed Goten and trunks to fight way above their individual level that was a significantly bigger boost than any transformation. Within a minute, /u/WWWtron will have assigned you your shiny new flair. I thought there were a couple moments where he was but was stopped. We saw the diffrence between normal ssj and ssjg in the manga and anime. Copy-pasta, Circlejerk or Meme derivative posts. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. "Gogeta!" Beerus didn't even deny it, he just says it was only an arm wrestling competition. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. Though Gogeta probably has more raw power. Distasteful posts for the sake of being "edgy". It was confirmed that Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than the Gods of Destruction including Beerus Wrong. Don't downvote. I'm not sure what the anime equivalent to that was. Vegeta overcame toppo who wouldn't be on the same level as belmod to produce a hakai to counter full power vegeta attack but he could have easily erased him multiple times as shown from their match. 0. Beerus literally stopped the destruction afterwards. If you do not properly flair your post, or reply incorrectly to a post because you didn't know the difference between 'Battle' and 'Scan-Battle', you agree to forfeit to us your soul in perpetuity or another soul of equal or greater value. MUI Goku is beyond Gogeta. Subreddit vs Subreddit posts or other posts looking to get a rise out of other online communities (Tumblr, 4chan, etc, etc). Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis, I'm giving it to Beerus, assuming he can also use UI. Three weakest, they had three gods in that one. It MIGHT have even surpassed beerus", the picture doesnt mean anything. this feet itself is already impressive enough for gogeta soloing this due to him being suppressed is already well above beerus and jiren so him going all out makes it a stomp. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 1.2 Meteor Attack 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. Not only his he skilled, he has abilities that can destroy both of them with ease. It might not have specifically said he was stronger than Beerus, but his reputation and displayed power should say enough. He doesn't know exactly when they're coming, but ever since his second run in with Harry and Marv, his house in constantly boobytrapped and he's spent 28 years honing the art of being: HOME ALONE. MUI Goku vs Gogeta. 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